Rev Challenges Westhea for Abdicating His Role as An Educator & Being Too Close To the American version of Black Janjeweed Marauders!

At times it would appear that westhea has joined the America black, elect Obama or else, Janjeweed! To my way of thinking, Westhea has sinned against his called-purpose, instead of breeding understanding and love; he has created a forum where other individuals can spew hatred. I cannot find a place on his site where he has attempted to employ healing, or to teach those who harbor hatred, particularly of their own kind, to grow in love or understanding and to heal. He has that in common with the Klan and other secularist groups – he has unwittingly endorsed and become what he claims to be against!

revcsolomon
Okay, now it is crystal clear that you are Caucasian! There are some things that you can do about self-hatred, learn to love yourself as you are, because it is not totally your fault (I suppose) that you are what you have become!

revcsolomon
tbioku - And they have been telling us for all of these years in school that prehistoric Crogmagnon, Neanderthal, Australopithecines and Hominids went extinct. Obviously, the paleoscientists have not encountered you yet. You are living proof that creatures from the Pleistocene era still walk the Earth, assuming that you are bipedal.

tbioku
@reverendsolomoncunt,
Have you found your own lost soul? Remember your soul was long lost since the day you and other uncle Toms and aunt Jemimas decided to attack the Black race by defending the atrocities committed by the white race. Asshole, which argument is better put together than this?

tbioku
@reverendsolomoncunt,
What dog? Are you fucking retarded?

tbioku
Actually, I have spanked your f***ing a** many times over, white racist mole/Uncle Tom. Go figure, a**hole!

revcsolomon
tbioku, The dyslexic agnostic spent his whole lifetime searching for dog, my question to you is - did you find it?

revcsolomon
Can't you put an argument together?

Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. That is what is written in the bible, the Holy Quaran...! You lost your soul somewhere, you need to go back and try to find it. If you had an ounce of character like Tavis, you would be a much bigger person than you appear to be now. GET IN THE REAL WORLD and clean your heart before you do!

tbioku
revlonsolomoncosmetic;revloncosmeticsolomon;revere ndsolomoncunt,
A**hole, f***ing cunt, white racist mole/Uncle Tom! I tell you what -- someday, you and Tavis would be called zeros! Watch!

revcsolomon
Thank you, for tbioku is proof that we might be failing in our quest to rescue mankind from moral depravity. Of late I have the feeling that tbioku might be white, and a person who is simply stirring up strife. President Carter said at the Coretta Scott King funeral that Dr. Martin Luther King was the embodiment of all that America claimed to stand for, freedom et al...! I am proud of our black American icons. Even the ones that I may not agree with politically deserve respect!

gobialoo
Bravo Tavis
Bravo revcsolomon

revsolomonc
Tavis is an unsong hero who like many other accomplished black Americans deserves our respect. The Janjaweed brothers on this site who are supporting a mixed candidate, themselves (these half-Toms) while calling other blacks Toms, are symptomatic of what is wrong in black America. They only know how to destroy black icons. How dare any of these former cast-members of the move spoof Barbershop persist in their folly? How pathetic and churlish they happen to be?

revsolomonc
My day has been made; I have been called a 'white racist'. I told you that you were confused. I predict that I will sit in Obama's seat in a few years in this sense. He alleged that he was against the Iraq war, and most Americans believed that he voted against it in the US Senate, even though he did not. Today he views himself as a champion for standing up against the masses. Well, I'm standing against the torrential currents to say scrutinize Obama - someday, you will be calling me a hero!

tbioku
@revcsolomon,
Hello, white racist mole/Uncle Tom.

quietlaurieann
Good for you Tavis!! From a long time admirer

revcsolomon
It was not being done exclusively for you anyway, I trust that your respondent got my point!

westthea
Rev, I tire of this conversation between you and I about me. I have said what must be said about this matter. There is nothing else to be said. It is now on to other matters. Thank you for the engaging dialogue.

revcsolomon
The magnanimous thing would be for me to pretend that I have misunderstood the thrusts of your many missives. However, the fact remains that you have not used your site to build consensus, you have done the opposite. Your decision to label certain individuals as 'the dogs of hell', a literary reference as I recall, proves that you have written off certain individuals and injected your own Damoclean sword squarely into their rib cages! That is bad 'praxis', what spirit are you really of?

revcsolomon
We are supposed to be making an effort to reverse this trend. I wonder if James Brown or Sammy Davis were alive today, or better yet how about comedian Cheryl Underwood a Republican - would or should these icons be run into ground? Our people should be told to reject the behavior of racist whites who once referred to their own people who supported blacks as nig lovers. Now blacks are turning on blacks who elect not to support a black, calling them white lovers! What are you doing about it?

westthea
Rev, once again, I have said all to be said with regards to Tavis. Tavis will be alright and continue to be a warrior for black causes.

It's quite alright for you to "believe" what you will. You act as though this "turn on their own" just became a new phenom.

The fact that Obama is of mixed ethnic heritage seems to bother you. It has not gone unnoticed how you bring it up and, on occasions, in a very naughty way.

revcsolomon
It's larger than Tavis and symptomatic of a deeper racial discordant divide that persists in our community. I believe you have been infected. Why is it that an election cycle with a mixed Scotch-Irish/African has resulted in such disaffection with some in the community, causing them to turn on their own? Tavis is merely a representative of a much deeper underlying ethos, fear perhaps. The other day I was told by an Obama supporter that he lifts people-are you lifting people or pimping Obama?

westthea
Rev, thanks for your opinion that I am "misusing" my "calling". I think not.

The "pimping" of the Black masses shall no longer happen without "hot coals of fire upon the heads" of those who deems it lucrative to do so.

westthea
Rev, "trust" is relative to individuals. There those who do not have the capacity to trust.

You're yet bemoaning Tavis. Get over it. Bob Johnson is another matter. He promoted some very bad things when he owned BET and it affected Blacks throughout the world. He then attempted to denigrate Obama. My position shall not change with regards to him until he does what’s appropriate. Atonement does not come without individual remorse and then repentance. Talk to Bob.....

westthea
Rev, most people find what they seek to find. Have you looked at the hundreds of videos on this channel? Do you know when I correct certain contributors? Do you know when I ban certain individuals? I will not spend the time to convince you of these things, it distracts from my purpose.

revcsolomon
The Apostle who once felt that he was serving the Almighty was busy having God's elect rounded-up, imprisoned and murdered. And one day this zealous religious man was brought down himself for interrogation and arrogation, nearly face to face, by the Almighty. One probative question turned him around forever, it was: Why are you persecuting me? When you do it unto the least of God's little ones, you do so unto him! Perhaps like Paul or J. Swag, you have sinned in miscuing your calling!

revcsolomon
Has nature selected Bob Johnson to be 'the example' of capitalist excess? You and I know better than that! The fact of the matter is that consumerism is a disease that affects all Americans and it is a pathogen that is spreading around the world. As you know already, consumerism is certainly a component of capitalism. Certainly there are other figures that you, not nature, could have selected. So what is you real issue with black American Bob Johnson? I'm the student, teach me why Bob?

revcsolomon
This is an area that still troubles me. Aren't you, a man that has been provided with gifts and gifting, violating a trust? The Klan and other secularist groups behave in the same manner; haven't you unwittingly become what you claim to be against? Minister Farrakhan has taught about atonement over the years. Where is the spirit of atonement when it comes to Tavis, Bob and others? Why are these people being pilloried on your site, while like Paul their clothes are being lain at your feet?

revcsolomon
There is something bothering me! So let's ratchet up the heat a bit and explore in the area of intent. To my way of thinking, you have sinned against your called-purpose, for instead of breeding understanding and love; you have created a forum where other individuals can spew hatred. I cannot find a place on his site where you have attempted to employ healing or to teach those who harbor hatred, particularly of their own kind, to grow in love or understanding or to heal. continue...

westthea
Rev, I have posted the purpose and objective. There is a litany of videos from which millions can deduce where I am, going or might go. You know the old saying, "what you see is what you get". Do you not see me and hear me?

I am to the individual what the depth, the knowledge and the experiences of that individual allows me to be. I have nothing more to say on that matter.

westthea
Rev, yes, I have left no illusions with regards to Bob Johnson's rabid capitalist mindset, so "predictable" I am in this regard. I am who I am and feel free to post this to your personal blog. Being accused goes with the territory and I handle it just as I handle your accusations.

Yes, people grow and some devolve. It's important to determine which.

Revcsolomon said:
Let's apply the Socratic method? Is the purpose of your site to provide a forum for other tergiversators to castigate and character assassinate their sisters and brothers, or does it have an enantiomorphic intent? I was told before spiritually that Our Theme - Ought to be - To pursue different passions - For Different People. Submit to questioning westhea, what is your overarching theme or purpose for this site? The purpose of dialectical materialism is to arrive at synthesis!

revcsolomon
Your conclusion is predictable - your mind is made up; there isn't a chance of illumination! Are you the moral arbiter of the Universe? Who are you to judge Bob Johnson - are you the elusive perfect man? Some in your inner and outer circle would likely accuse you, and mischaracterize your intentions. The Almighty, the Universe, the Sovereignty, the Unifying Principle, the God Equivalent and Nature have always preselected imperfect individuals - they selected you, people grow and so will you!

westthea
I have also defended Tavis where it was necessary to do so.

With regards to "teaching", far more is done that you do not see in words here. My position remains the same with regards to Bob Johnson. Therefore, I suggest that you not belabor it.

westthea
Rev, I do not put the total strategy on display. As it is written, let "the tare grow with the wheat". There will come a time to fix that. Wisdom, my friend.

revsolomonc
Aren't you being a bit histrionic and disingenuous? I cannot believe that you have suddenly lapsed into a fugue state, that you have suddenly misremembered all of the attacks on black leaders that have occurred so far on your site. Mea Culpa? I think not. You folks have been attacking Tavis from the onset, then on to BET founder Bob Johnson...? Shouldn't you be teaching these young rioters to stop destroying their own neighborhood - their best friend’s lives there?

revsolomonc
I have simply recognized that you, an erudite black man, have not attempted to upgrade the thinking of some who have written into your site? Clearly you are called to be an educator, why aren't you educating these people... why have you abdicated your calling? Some of your writers remind me of blacks who destroyed their own communities during America's riotous historical past. These folks never ventured across town to fight their enemies. Some of your folks are staying too close to home!

westthea
Rev, you're acting like "Jeckel & Hyde". One moment you are praising the pleasant conversation and the next, you're hitting me in the kneecaps with your bat.

westthea
Rev, please name the specific "black icons" that you assert I have mischaracterized in a "venal" manner. Your mischaracterization of me is a bit hilarious and I will not spend anytime defending myself. What I present speaks for itself.

revsolomonc
And Westhea, it is our responsibility as educators to educate. Why have you abandoned your role? Why aren't you teaching instead of joining in with a phalanx of misdirected haters of black American icons, who happen to share a difference of opinion? In the legal profession, you know that you could be disbarred given your effluent conflict of interest. Were you white, you and some of yours would be John Birchers, Klan people of members of white militias. Teach Weathea what is right!

revsolomonc
westhea, What is exactly that you want, and why do you standby and or lend ear to such venal mischaracterizations and attempts to destroy black icons. You remind me a lot of Judge Thomas as I view your picture. You are of the hue and countenance like his, that not only black-people disparaged, but many whites did too. Thomas suffered at the hands of blacks and whites. What did you suffer that has caused you to seek to elevate yourself at the expense of other black people? What do you want?

revcsolomon
What is wonderful about our back and forth discussions are that we have proven that two brothers can disagree respectfully, in deference to Cain who slew his brother over an issue - we have not attempted to kill the other. Let's teach our brothers to do the same and to eliminate the mischaracterizations and denouement of other black Americans who have made unboding sacrifices to serve the black nation in America! The first man and likely the last man to die will do so over over a denominational issue!

westthea
Rev, well stated!

revsolomonc
Not even the Prophet Mohammed, the Honorable Elijah Mohammed, Mahatmas Gandhi, Jesus Christ, an existentialist or a New Ager would agree with your fatalistic conclusion. You often speak in terms of absolutes, there is no give. Once your mind is made up, facts are irrelevant. It often takes time for humans to experience an epiphany or conversion - who are you to judge? Every soul is worth something, and if every soul would save a soul, every soul would be saved -if only his or her own!

revsolomonc
Did you see Senator Obama's military advisory team, no brothers? I suspect that we are going to see a lot more of this in other areas, as time goes by!

I approve this message: Rev. C. Solomon

westthea
Rev, he's not president yet. These are not cabinet members.

revcsolomon
What he has demonstrated so far is indicative of where he is headed if he were to become President. And for the first time, you have delved into the real world and admitted, contrary to what you guaranteed before - he is not President!

I am pleased to hear that you are sobering up and have decided to 'GET IN THE REAL WORLD'! If it turns out that Obama is using black voters, in the manner that black voters are using him then it will be a fete compli or for you a fete a compli!

westthea
LOL.... I do not underestimate myself with regards to Obama. This is a tug-of-war. The other side is going to pull at Obama but we will put forward the better choices and be more convincing. We also have Michelle.......

westthea

Rev, I agree, people have the right to choose and I have not expressed anything otherwise. If so, please feel free to show me where this was the case.

westthea
Rev, it's that 10% where you, like Glen Ford, blows up. I cannot travel that path with you.

It is a waste of energy to spend 4 centuries convincing certain "dogs of hell" that they are "racist" haters. The energy is best spent leveraging the black collective strengths. The end result of spending nearly 4 centuries trying to convince where there is no need to convince only produces anger. The end product of that has been an increase in black youth yearning for direction and focus.

revcsolomon
You made derogatory comments about me with respect to the late Dr. King. During black history month I was blessed to meet and spend time with his speechwriter and legal counsel, Mr. Clarence Jones. I have nothing but respect for Dr. King's contribution and the contribution of other historical figures. When you folks, who have done nothing, try to tear them down it makes my blood boil, thus the Janjeweed reference. Your attitudes seem to be, we are right, scorched earth for everyone else!

westthea
Rev., stop the nonsense about someone tearing down Dr. King. Stop worshipping the dead. As it is written, "let the dead bury the dead". In other words, deal with the "Urgency of Now". You and Glen Ford might be good as talking buddies. More on him later.......

revcsolomon
I made one simple reference to Dr. King and you have unfairly turned my comments into something else. It is you and your followers who have attacked our historical black icons, I only see the need to defend them. The present, as you referred to it, represents plurality and right for all Americans to select and vote for candidates who they feel can best do the job without being the recipients of juvenile race-baiting and derogatory name calling. You are an erudite man, but apparently an angry

westthea
Rev, I am not angry at you nor anyone else. Dr. King must be respected but it is not wise to dwell on the past, as if the current has not leveraged from the past and brought you something better. "Race-baiting" and "name calling".....?

revcsolomon
I have recognized a disturbing trend among some black Obama supporters, frankly, some of them remind me of the white racists who saw to our oppression for so many years. Those racists terrorized their white counterparts in order to ensure that white supremacy would thrive in deference to white liberals. This name calling and disparaging of black icons who have a difference of opinion, by calling them names, is no different. And, it’s nothing new. Many blacks believe that MLK was a Tom!

westthea
Rev, as you know, those who understand the full breadth of Dr. King knows that he was not a "Tom", just as I know Obama isn't a "Tom". Obama's current "public" position with regards to Iran, Israel, and HIV/AIDS are very different. However, I realize that I have the strength and patience to reshape his opinion and/or the opinion of some of those around him. Therefore, I need not be shrill about my disagreements with him

revcsolomon
Correct, neither of the two are Tom's. However, when I consider the vehemence and denouement by you and others who have written in with respect to black icons, who have done nothing else but scrutinize Mr. Obama just as some of you are scrutinizing them-it concerns me that you folks are so anti-black. We do not live in a communist dictatorship. They have a right to choose! The most important thing that I can say to you and some of your harsher critics of black icon is: WE ARE BROTHERS!

westthea
Rev, I agree, people have the right to choose and I have not expressed anything otherwise. If so, please feel free to show me where this was the case.

revsolomonc
Westhea, you are a master escape artist; go back and read some of your own threads. I can only wonder if the tables would have been turned and some of the names mentioned would have initially supported Senator Obama, what would you have ever said about them? Clearly, you and some of your writers have deep antipathy towards Bob Johnson and others! It is amazing that black Americans typically vote in a 95% voting black, however, when you get right down to the LCD, blacks mistrust other blacks!

revcsolomon
Proving that you are wrong about anything is nearly impossible based upon the experiences that I have had with you. I'm not mad at you - most people are like that. Besides, proving you wrong has never been my objective. Again, I am simply trying to engage in political discourse, and by talking to someone who believes 90%, apparently, as I do, but has some differences of opinions helps me to crystallize my thinking. Blacks spent nearly 4 centuries trying to convince whites that are racist!

westthea
Rev, what have you personally done to get me where I am? You do not know my history or that of my parents. You assume much and then pass judgment. Hillary is no longer a candidate. Stop your pity party and get over it. There is a new generation that shall now lead America. Either counsel rightly or get out of the way.

revcsolomon
And who haven't you and yours attacked that have not gone along with your narrow and short-sighted folly and positions on almost everything. One simple question could solve this entire discussion, what have you done but to rant, rave, attack? Where is your contribution to the culture? I have a record? What is yours other than to refer to the foxes of hell, Toms, old heads - my God! Senator Obama is next, for when 'you people' don't get what you want, you will be going after him as well!

westthea
Rev, whatever you have done that has been beneficial to humanity, I applaud. I need not provide you with a litany of my actions towards the benefit of all. I assure you, it is local as well as international.

I have already gone after Obama.

westthea
Any way you attempt to translate, Yeshua does not translate to Jesus in any language. It translates moreso to Zeus.

My point is that you must focus more on the relevancy of reality, not that which is dead. You build upon that which came before you, not allow it to make you stagnant.

revcsolomon
Like many, you have created your own language as well as your own parameters. If you know anything about patois, regional dialects, you would know that not only the pronunciations but the spellings of names differ. George, Jorge or John or Juan or Johanine and on and on..., which one is correct. Answer. It is correct when Westhea decides that it is correct. Now back to the subject, you folks cannot fix a problem unless you someday fix your own problem - and it is metastasizing!

westthea
Rev, we are not talking about Jorge (hore-hey) or any of the other examples you have presented. We are talking about you being tripped up by your former masters with the false name of "JESUS". Academically, you know I am correct but you cannot show the courage and humility to acknowledge it. This is the problem with some of the older blacks. True self-esteem is the ability to acknowledge ones ignorance so as to move forward.

westthea
"Correct when Westthea decides that it is correct"

Rev, the above are your words. You're having a difficult time proving where I am wrong. You are emotional because your candidate lost and, therefore, metastasize the younger generation of blacks who are now seizing their leadership role in the affairs of America. Desist from the "crab mentality" so prevalent among your generation.

revcsolomon
I was thinking, when Senator Obama understands the composition of his army, many hatemongers and irreverent ingrates, that like Gideon he is in for a big surprise. Then I remembered, he didn't respect his pastor or the civil rights leaders who fought to get him where he is either. You all make up one great big irreverent, elitist, presumptuous, cocky and arrogant group of individuals who have not been taught, but somehow you want to be teachers and leaders. You don't follow, how can you lead?

westthea
, spare me the rhetoric. You cannot judge the younger generation as you do without judging yourself. Elders are for counsel, not direct battle. If ones counsel is not sound then that person should remove his or herself from the equation. If you don't help, don't hinder. I am very clear about this

revcsolomon
The deep pathology that persists in the black community is no laughing matter, you have proved that. You have also confirmed my original feelings that some supporters in the Obama party are harbingers of the same spirit that persists in the Talib of Afghanistan. You young hot-heads want to take over the house, and all that you will do given your untested ideas, elitism and presumptuousness is to destroy the house! You simply want the old heads to get out of the way. The old - know the way!

westthea
Some "old - know the way", others reflect why so many youth are lost. Yes, there are some youth who do not have a clue. However, I will not accept your incendiary remarks that misrepresents black youth as well as Obama. You want Bob Johnson to be praised, even though he used BET as a vehicle to spread and promote smut to our youth and then cashed out for $3 billion. Yes, some "old heads" must get out of the way, they have had their day. Good counsel is respected.

revcsolomon
Contraire old friend, what is silly is for black Americans who pretend to be for a black candidate (who is only half-black), that continue to denigrate other Americans (who happen to be black), who have served this nation for decades - because they have not been as hypocritical as some of you are being. This election proves that a deeper schism that exists in the black population needs attending. It is time to move ahead, however, we need to fix some existing problems before we can move forward!

westthea
You continue to speak foolishly. There are and always have been mixed blacks in America and it was often the result of rape. "Served this nation"? Part of the problem has been that you have served in capacities that have kept your own debilitated while you have become the wealthiest generation of blacks. This is why a segment of young blacks are angry with the sort.

Fixing those problems does not start with your attitude.

revcsolomon
You and other ingrates are where you are today because of the unknown and unheralded work that me and others like me have done to get you where you are. Again, you behave like the Janjeweed of Darfur and the Talib in Afghanistan. That a transition will take place, we understand that - however, you and many like you need a lot of help before that transition can take place - factually you are not astute enough or seasoned enough to take over the reigns of power (Obama included)!

westthea
Rev., Dr. King is dead and many of you "old heads" didn't accept him when he was living. Move beyond worship of the dead and come into the here and now.

revcsolomon
Is Jesus dead too?

westthea
Rev, there was no Jew with the name "Jesus". This is something your former masters taught you and you have believed it. When you call someone, you have better chances of an answer when you call with the actual name.

Now, there were some Greeks and Romans with that name.

revcsolomon
So then is Jeshua, Johanine, Mattathias... dead or alive. Once again you are being presumptuous. And with respective to linguistics and nominatives, is your candidates name really Barack or is it Baruch, now you are being sophomoric and I gave you more credit from the onset than that!

westthea
If you think Foxx was bad, you should see what I have to say about "Pimp Daddy" Bob Johnson.

Peace & Grace,
Rev. C. Solomon

Addenda: Westhea and I have never met, except through cyberspace on the You-Tube. He is clearly an articulate and erudite gentleman, and even though we clash over certain points he has always referred to me as Reverend. I suspect that we have helped each other to grow, even though we disagree in an agreeable fashion from time to time. (Best read from the bottom up)