Senator Obama, Black America & A Systematic Approach: Or Another Kerry or Gore Failure!

Senator Obama, Black America & A Systematic Approach:


As the election cycle drudges onward, more and more it is becoming clear to most Americans that having a neophyte to serve as the President of the United States, of the kind that we have had for the past 8 years simply does not make any sense at all. And when you take into consideration the state that the nation is in, that will be turned over to another inchoate President, it simply would not make sense to repeat a similar mistake all over again and put someone in office who will have to be permitted, more or less, a reasonable learning curve. How long would it take? Eight years in office did not help Bush, however, four more years of preparation could prove to have many dividends for Senator Obama.

Black Americans, the majority of them, who switched from supporting Hillary Clinton, who was apparently black America's default candidate to Senator Obama Hussein recently, simply put want a black leader to preside over this nation. And it is understanding given the politics of race in this nation. Blacks have been the recipients of economic and political disenfranchisement, despite their contributions of labor and service to this nation from the first day that blacks arrived on these shores.

The face of political and economic disenfranchisement for black Americans, has always been white. After 232 years of white-faced leadership, blacks believe that if America were to place a leader with a black face in office as President of the USA, then suddenly all of their problems would go away. The problem with that fortuitous conclusion is that it is simply a pipe dream. If Black Americans were simply to consider what has taken place in South Africa, a nation with a 96% black majority, not much has changed in spite of South Africa's current and past black Presidents, Mandela and Mbeki.

The two Presidents were not able to change South Africa overnight, and they are a long way from completing that arduous tasks. There has not been a universal redistribution of income। Ancestral lands have not been returned en masse to to the majority in the black nation of South Africa. Black Africans continue to suffer disproportionately, while they continue to exist in shantytowns and ghettos with poor utilities and other services. Why? Two factors really, the obvious being that there are structures in place that would prevent any leader, white, black or Indian in South Africa, to simply walk in and do what he or she wishes to do.

White Afrikaners still hold the reigns of power, and they still control the wealth and the majority of economic institutions in South Africa। The second factor is the learning curve. As accomplished as both Presidents are, both men of skill, education and knowledge, the factor of the learning curve overrides a petulant desire to simply walk in and 'change things'.

The mendacious black tergiversators, in the African-American community in the majority white United States of America, which I often refer to as, the land of the free and the home of the slave, will still control the reigns of power, the institutions and the wealth of this nation no matter who becomes President.

It is neither axiomatic or automatic that if Senator Obama or any other black leader were to prevail and become President of the United States, that he or she would have to deal with a learning curve, as well as the structural white norms that are already inculcated within the American mixed-society. If Senator Obama were to prevail, I suspect that the hopes of black America will still be dashed, when after 2 to 400 years of waiting, they still won't get what they want, not immediately anyway.

There is another very serious issue to be considered here, and it has to do in part with race. Will the majority of Americans place their confidence and trust in a black leader, or will his poll numbers begin at say 25% support, and steadily decline to zero or the dreaded "No Confidence" in his first year in office? Simply put, white Americans are hard-wired not to trust anyone but their own. What will this portend for America's domestic policy, one has to wonder. I don't have any prescient knowledge of what will happen, however, this is what I believe will happen, and I've experienced it before myself with white Americans.

Let's assume that Senator Obama becomes the President. On every issue, the government will proceed as normal, their will be cabinet meetings, the President will meet with his cabinet and go about the issue of tending to government business. However, there will be an undermining of his authority as President. The white Americans who will pay lip service and refer to him on a political basis as Mr. President, will listen to hear what he has to say, and if it displeases them, they will refer to their official and unofficial caucuses, and decide how to navigate around the President with say an Executive Order, or a direct order.

What would this portend for America internationally? It wouldn't take long before foreign governments will represent the Black President of the USA, does not have the support of the American people who make the difference. Are who are the American people that make the difference? They are the ones with power, and power, compensatory, condigned or conditional, can be represented in terms of wealth, political power or the real control of the military and the voting masses.

I believe that Senator Obama would become a lame-duck President very likely on his first day in office. Of course there will be a polite rendering of, well, let's just wait and see, however, just as Senator Obama has chosen to retreat on certain issues that pertain to his personal feelings, those of his wife, his pastor and his church, I suspect that he will capitulate again when he is told, THAT IS NOT WHAT WE WANT!

Sure he will have an impotent black minority supporting him, however, he will sustain the same kind of behavior from the black community if they don't get what they want quickly, jobs, capital, affirmative action type preferences, reversals of the past historical legacy of racial animus and equal access to all of the opportunity structures in this nation. White Americans might attenuate and accept a few ignoble gestures from a black president to the black community, however, they will only tolerate so much largess.

Cutting to the chase, where do I really stand on the Senator Obama Presidential hopefuls candidacy. I believe that he should have helped to solidify the system that he is taking advantage of in order to accomplish his dream of being President. Senator Obama, and many black Americans should have worked to solidify the Democratic Party, and Senator Obama should have waited his turn. I believe that Senator Obama needs to learn a lot more before seeking the office of President. Just consider all of the guffaws and faux pas' of President George Bush. Has this nation ever had a more incompetent leader.

Ambassador Alan Keyes, when running against then candidate Bush said, 'The man does not have the mental capacity to be President', and President Bush has definitely proven that in my opinion. On the other hand, does Senator Obama have the mental capacity to be President, I would answer yes. However, just having the mental capacity is not enough, not only as far as Senator Obama is concerned, the same rule should apply no matter who desires to seek the office of President.

But even after you've proven that you have the mental capacity, there should be a reasonable period of time and training in order to hone your craft. Most educational institutional and corporate institutions have a tenure or executive track program. Candidates are expected to join, or be hired, and afterward learn as much as they can, while being considered for promotion. Senator Obama could have satisfied the executive track program by putting his ticket into the hat to become a vice president. In that capacity, he could have learned and practiced the nuances that are all associated with being President.

Why is that Americans like George Bush and Obama Hussein in recent times have been so truculent, if not arrogant, by presupposing that just anyone can step up one day and say that I want to be the President of the United States of America. If the American people are willing to vote for them, shouldn't that be enough. The American people voted for George Bush two times, I REST MY CASE!

Obama, wait your turn and if you truly value the office that you are pursuing, invest the time to prepare for doing that job, our lives, our children's lives, our security and our livelihoods are all at stake. And this risk aversive experiment of yours, that is being supported primarily by sychophants who are less than politically astute, and who do not understand how American as well as geopolitical politics works, are neither serving the nation nor a very unstable world very well!

As I close, I would like to see a self-deprecating Senator Obama stand up and say that I am going to do all of us a favor, and go and spend a bit more time getting prepared for such a serious understanding. For now, make yourself available to be drafted as a vice presidential candidate, who wants to prepare to be the best president, America's 1st black president, that this nation has ever seen. Otherwise, if you were to be elected and fail due to presumptuousness, neither blacks nor whites will ever support a minority candidate again en masse, anytime soon!

Peace & Grace
Rev. C. Solomon
http://www.sealofabraham.blogspot.com/

Addenda: I believe that Obama is about to ruin something that could have been very good. I believe that right now his timing is slightly off! Depending on the outcome, minorities may or may not ever get an opportunity like this again. What we all should learn from this experience is the wisdom of building sustaining broad-based colations, and how to work in collaboration within those coalitions. The scholarly Senator Obama should be able to see the bigger picture.

If I were he, I would again simply make myself available to be vice president। In the interim I would call together other scholars and civil rights leaders, and examine what we did right and what we have done wrong. I would call all in all of those that I have offended, or have been offended with me along the way. And from all of the information garnered, whether selected Vice President of the United States or not, over the next couple of years, I would build a machine and myself in a lasting manner, that would provide social justice leadership for this nation into perpetuity!

Wisdom dictates that often, the ones who appear to be your enemies can be your best friends! Obama needs to build a broad-based machine that can produce future presidents!

The Rev Fights With A Black Fascist Obama 1st Supporter

Where it all began.

The Rev said to Tlallen29

Jesus taught, fed & worked miracles for years, the crowds followed him everywhere that he went. By the time that he was crucified on the cross, all of the beneficiaries, like blacks in America today, were MIA. Hillary is experiencing the same from the black community. A vote for Obama does not necessitate a referendum on one who served black people. Read John 7:8, did Jesus lie, he went to the feast. Stop being black fascists. There is nothing wrong w working via a system.
Tlallen29
To be called Black Fascists... from someone who just likened Hillary Clinton to Yeshua the Messiah... is disturbing at best. You obviously don't do your homework on Hillary. The fact you feel that she was betrayed speaks to the mindset that she was OWED our votes. At 56 Im not surprised but saddened by your ignorance. Have we NO elders with wisdom to look up to anymore? You should be ashamed... but I don't think you are intelligent enough to be.
revsolomonc
Thallen29, I've been called worse. Look up the word fascist. You and your sycophants cannot be permitted to force your will upon black people, any more than Hitler or America sought to force its will upon jews and black people. Support of one candidate does not require a referendum upon another one. Obama is a default candidate for many of us - we have not tried to destroy him, as some of you have tried to destroy Clinton. You seem to be rather obtuse yourself - I hoped you were teachable!
Tlallen29
me and my sycophants... are forcing our will upon black people. amazing analysis. Perhaps she will let you shine her shoes and drive her to the piggly wiggly when the campaign is over
Tlallen29
Hitler? really? For exercising my God given right to free speech? Oh wait.. I was almost surprised by that comparison until I remembered you likening Hilary Clinton to God...
revsolomonc
Tlalen, let me help you. He has not been hurt because of black leaders. He was subjected to scrutiny in a white crucible by whites and he wilted. You've experienced the same crucible. We are not a monolithic community, it is okay for blacks to scrutinize the retreating Obama who has already run away from 5 issues that matter. What will he do when he faces the Republicans or if he were elected Prez? Stop behaving like black fascists. You will turn on him also, if you don't get what you want?
Tlallen29
Your help is neither required nor wanted. You are right, he hasn't been hurt specifically because we aren't monolithic. The motives behind the attempt is what doesn't sit well with me. To be honest with you sir and I use that term loosely, Im pretty detached at this point as I know the truth of this government and its direction REGARDLESS of the puppet it uses. I'll behave in any manner I see fit and if that bothers you ... simply leave my page. Not a hard concept.
revsolomonc
Thallen. A wise man can learn more from a fool than a fool can from a wise man. Any man who is not interested in help himself should not be spewing his venom to other people. Open up 56 year old man, it has long since been time for you to do so! Study the black South African presidencies and you might learn something. BTW don't destroy your own people who have differences of opinion!
Tlallen29
thats hilarious as YOU came to MY video in the way that you did... but somehow Im the ignorant fool. While I respect your age I don't respect your approach. Frankly I don't care for your opinion although you are entitled to it. Again you are not telling me anything that I haven't considered so please just go your way in peace.
revsolomonc
Tlallen29, Whites are laughing their hearts out. They have been trying to destroy black leaders & the Clintons for years, and you, Senator Obama and your ill-informed friends are doing it for them. The good thing about all of this is that Bill Cosby has some company now. Has everyone that has served us before, who does not capitulate to the will of blacks, as Obama capitulted to the will of whites, suddenly become an Uncle Tom? Your immediate gratification generation gives me pause!
Tlallen29
Number One: I don't live my life according what will or will not amuse a specific racial group. If you do, thats totally on you. Luckily for my "immediate gratification generation" we don't have to deal with your "Massah been Good to us" generation mentality as we can actually think for ourselves. If you think that for one second Clinton is all for you... when she is stressing the importance of her white blue collar voters as we speak... you are insane.
Tlallen29
only pause... darnit I hit the STOP button....
revsolomoncThalen, stop being churlish my man, and be teachable yourself, isn't that the point of this whole exercise? Develop a worldwview, Iraqis, Pakistanis, Africans, Hawaiians, Cubans, Bolivians all need our help. Your vitriol and vituperation suggests a deeper pathology my friend. We are in theory all fighting for the cause of freedom & justice. Our theme, ought to be, to pursue different passions for different people. More growth awaits you. Sorry to slam you bro, but you need to be slammed!

Peace & Grace
Rev. C. Solomon
http://www.sealofabraham.blogspot.com/

Addenda: Check out Tlallen on YouTube. Honestly, he seems like a pretty cool and postive brother to me. I am simply trying to get him to have some tolerance for the other cool brother's and sisters in the world, who happen not to share all of his opinions! I am also trying to get him to see that some of us who Hillary Clinton is our first choice, also plan to vote for Senator Obama as our default candidate, and therefore to stop being so intolerant!

The Rev's Dialogue With 'A Conservative!

The Rev's Dialogue With 'A Conservative!

Introduction:
JBTG33 said:
I have spent most of my life working in the inner-city. I see how the system works. The government has created more poor people, by making the poor dependent on the government.

I believe in helping my fellow man, but not the way the government does it. the more socialistic we become, the more people rely on the government. What has the government done to earn my trust? Why should I willingly give the government more of my hard earned tax dollars?

The Rev Responded

One caveat, the government created more poor people by giving preferential treatment to one class of American citizens over the other. That trend lasted for more than two centuries, that is why we have an institutionally created underclass. Remember what Hegel said about man's inhumanity to man: the ownership of property & the pursuit of power through class struggle? Visit ward 7 or 8 in the District, and you will see the working poor struggling in the shadows of the Federal Gov't!

The fact is that there has been and is enough wealth to provide a decent living wage for all Americans who want jobs. The uneven distribution, has nothing to do with dependence, it has everything to do with greed, and bad policy. Limbaugh said it best, 'tax us [the wealthy] and we will still have our chauffeurs, swimming pools et al'. I said, exactly! Many Americans are loosing $ in stock & investment funds। God's comeuppance perhaps, for building bigger barns while others suffer in squalor?

The discussion in its entirety:
JBTG33 said:
I hear you loud and clear....another election with not much to pick from.
revsolomonc
Ambassador Keyes is an erudite black man. He was dispatched to Illinois several years ago in order to defeat the Obama Candidacy. Sadly, afterward, the same conservatives who sent him to Illinois, turned on him, referring to him as a lunatic. Currently, they plan to do the same thing to the man that he defeated, Hillary Clinton, Black leaders and the social justice movement. Ambassador made a mistake by allowing himself to be used! Comeuppance?

JBTG33
Wow, must be neat to have the inside information.

revsolomonc
JBTG33, I've spent years in Washington DC working with Conservatives and so-called liberals. And what qualifies you to be a cynic?

JBTG33
I have spent most of my life working in the inner-city. I see how the system works. The government has created more poor people, by making the poor dependent on the government. I believe in helping my fellow man, but not the way the government does it. the more socialistic we become, the more people rely on the government. What has the government done to earn my trust? Why should I willingly give the government more of my hard earned tax dollars?

revsolomonc
JBTG33 One caveat, the government created more poor people by giving preferential treatment to one class of American citizens over the other. That trend lasted for more than two centuries, that is why we have an institutionally created underlcass. Remember what Hegel said about man's inhumanity to man: the ownership of property & the pursuit of power through class struggle? Visit ward 7 or 8 in the District, and you will see the working poor struggling in the shadows of the Federal Gov't!

revsolomonc
I believe that Ambassador Keyes would make an excellent cabinet member or adviser. I remember when he spoke, over a decade ago, to our prospective barristers at Stanford. He and others on the panel did a yeoman's job. On the other hand he is a polarizing figure, not many Americans would be able to tolerate his shoot from the hip machine gun-style repartee! Those who believe that Senator Obama is elitist, would have a very difficult time if Ambassador Keyes were their opponent!

revsolomonc
JBTG33 There are over 300,000 registered lobbyists. Many lobbying organizations, former Representatives & Senators, have offices located on "K" Street in Washington, literally a stone's throw from the White House, and not too far from the Hill! It is their dependency on the gov't that has resulted in an inequitable distribution. These individuals receive government handouts on an almost daily basis.

JBTG33
Get the government out of the picture and you eliminate the lobbyists. The government is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

revsolomonc
The fact is that there has been and is enough wealth to provide a decent living wage for all Americans who want jobs. The uneven distribution, has nothing to do with dependence, it has everything to do with greed, and bad policy. Limbaugh said it best, 'tax us [the wealthly] and we will still have our chauffeurs, swimming pools et al'. I said, exactly! Many Americans are loosing $ in stock & investment funds. God's comeuppance perhaps, for building bigger barns while others suffer in squalor?

JBTG33
I'm not rich. I just work hard and take care of my family. I am not envious of the rich, I'm glad that there are rich people, they create jobs for the rest of us. The "soak the rich" idea is stupid and not fair, what did the rich do wrong?

revsolomonc
jmtg33, In consideration of comments made by Dr. Michael Eric Dyson, University Professor at Georgetown University. He said something that you might want to consider. He spoke to the issue of episodic benevolence, in contrast to structural imbalances, not an exact quote. All Americans are willing to share, mostly, in the face of an immediate disaster. The real disaster in America has persisted so long, that most Americans accept it as a condition. We need to address the structural barriers.

JBTG33
Americans are by nature, willing to help their neighbor. Its not the government job. It's a personal choice. How on earth did we survive with out income tax? Income tax didn't start until the early 1900's.

revsolomonc
jbtg33, A man wrote me saying, it is not racism that keeps blacks poor, blacks simply need capitalism. I reminded him of Mr. Bush's comments about New Orleans, he attributed the problems of Orleans to a history of white racism. Racism (individuals & institutional) kept a permanent underclass from capital. Consider the hundreds of years of labor by black slaves, who has the capital? Consider the years of disproportional pay due to racism? Who kept the capital? Structural imbalances built..
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JBTG33
Go to school work hard, don't rely on the government to solve your problems. Rely on the government and you will always be poor. With all the programs, why are there so many poor people? The government has taught them to be dependent. Do we teach our own children to be dependent? I don't.

JBTG33
REV, you seem very educated, have you ever worked in the inner city? I have, I know what I'm talking about. It's not as complicated as most want to believe.

revsolomonc
jctg33, Much like the stimulus package that the President is offering today, in order to stimulate the economy, the benefits of the forementioned projects were an invaluable aid to stimulating the American economy, its people and eventually production. Or, consider Japan or China incorporated. Our government is more involved than you are apparently aware with with respect to stimulating and protecting a segment of corporate America. We need to restructure policies & standards for the benefit

revsolomonc
jbtg33, Finally. The WPA, TVA ..., where these welfare programs, handouts, socialism or other? Answer. In a Republic, the government is supposed to represent the people. The historical legacy of disproportionality in America, has never been addressed by the government that is supposed to represent the people. When we get America working properly, the crime rate goes down, monies being spent for security can be used for other purposes, a spirit of collegiality will develop with all groups!

JBTG33
Those were, work for your welfare programs that did not pull us out of the Great Depression. FDR is rolling over in his grave because of what he started.

revsolomonc
continued..., After 911, when the tourist & travel industry were hurting, airline executives begged for relief. Senator McCain after reviewing their proposals inquired, are you nuts? The executives hadn't made one sacrifice, despite asking their employees for concessions. The American taxpayer has voted and supported corporate America for years with tax breaks..., and in return corporate America is moving business overseas, and evading the tax code. Compare their salaries & yours!

revsolomonc
jbtg33 Have you ever toyed around with macro or micro-economics. If not, give it a shot. You are merely repeating something akin to a protestant work ethic, and there is nothing wrong with that. I have been on both sides, I've lived in cars and I've lived on the country club grounds. We have some systemic problems with our economy. And as a result, the working poor, many of whom work as many as 3 jobs are not making any headway. The problem with the American economy centers around greed!

JBTG33
I disagree, there are 3 things you need to do to avoid poverty. 1.finish high school 2. Don't get married until you are 21. 3. Don't have kids until you are married. It is really that simple. Kids growing up without fathers is a way bigger problem then rich people being greedy.

revsolomonc
Your conclusion is oversimplified, the majority of earned-wealth that residing in savings..., was put there by illiterate blue collar workers and semi-illiterates. The majority of young people today aren't getting married at all. However, whatever happens, if you can't earn a living wage, none of what you mentioned matters. Not just poor, the Mid-Class hurts! People are working, 2 and 3 family-members, and just getting by. Look at some sociometric studies, rather than postulate!

revsolomonc
JBTG33The problem with the healthcare industry is the same with affordable housing, food, gasoline, insurance! A common denominator is greed, and neither the government nor the greed barons are willing to do anything about what they both approve. The gov't cannot afford exorbitant medical and pharmaceutical costs, and neither can the people. There is sufficient wealth being generated to pay a living wage. Necessary controls are needed for those who won't control themselves. People work hard!

JBTG33
Americans have got to be the biggest bunch of whiners in the world. We have so much. Our poor people are fat! We are living at a higher standard and longer then ever before. Things could always be better, and if you want things to improve, look at yourself first. What can I do to improve my life? People are being trained to look to the government first.

revsolomonc
You may be right. However, some individuals are justified I suspect. We made a mistake by outsourcing our futures to corporations. The same Americans who turn to corporations now for jobs, while depleting their own entrepreneurial abilities are hurting. Small businesses are the answer. Never again can we give power to corporations who work in tandem with corporations. We are heading in the direction of an American version of a Bolshevik Revolution based upon class struggle!

revsolomonc
jbtg33 I was told that there is nothing wrong with greed. I countered, there is only so much and when a person or group takes a disproportionate share, someone else misses out. The average America might earn 2 to 3M in a lifetime. Other Americans earn that in a day, week or month. Why should one earn $400M w stock options per annum, and a 40 hour week employee earn a slave wage? If you are a believer, Jesus' ministry had both a spiritual & social dimension to it. We can put everyone to work!

JBTG33
Everyone who wants to work, works. I'm a Christian myself, who is generous with my money. I would like to choose who gets my money. I have never made more than 50k a year in my life, I have everything I need. The greedy will have their judgment day, until then, let them provide jobs for the everyday Joe.

revsolomonc
Yes, and I know individuals, working poor, who are working 3 jobs. Now ask yourself, what is wrong that an individual has to make 3jobs to make it, when he or she is not living by conspicuous consumption. The Middle-Class is hurting, given all of the breaks that are given to the elites and the corporate classes who are driving the prices up. Someone has to change that. If people won't take responsibility, a reformed government will have to.

revsolomonc
JBT33, Then you concur with the statement made by Ronald Reagan years ago when he said: Government is not the solution to problems, government is the problem. You are not understanding or accepting the role that government has played, and still plays to impact the poor on one hand, and to benefit the wealth on the other hand. Like the story of the men in the Bible with talents, the government behaves in the same manner, those who have should get more & those who do not have, take that too!

JBTG33
If government can solve our problems, why are there more poor people than ever before?Like Charles Barkley once said "Black people have been voting democrat for 50 years and are still poor" Now we have two big spending/ big government parties trying to out promise each other. There is only one republican left, his name is Ron Paul. We need to listen to him.

revsolomonc
It is because for over 300 years the government did everything that it could to produce social uplift for one class of Americans over the other class. Today we live in a capital intensive society. You know yourself that capital has been kept away from black Americans for practically 300 years. You don't understand the role that government is playing to impact the success of all Americans including you! And as Charles told his grandma, "I'm Rich". If either party will address the imbalances

revsolomonc
JBTG33,Which entity is responsible for the huge tax bite, and how has that impacted middle and upper-middle class hard-working Americans? With respect to the unemployed, it is the norm for a relative percentage of Americans to be unemployed at any given time. Having said that, millions of Americans, some who have recently been displaced in the Mid-West have learned that there are at times when finding work is not as easy as you claim. Why did Japanese execs refer to Amer execs as gangsters?

revsolomonc
jbtg33 The danger of assumption is that all too often conclusions are based on false and skewed assumptions. I suspect that you are blinded in that you apply too much of your personal experience, in interpreting or translating the broader perspectives. Given the recent changes in the Rustbelt for example, downsizing, plant closings et al, there are many Americans who simply cannot find employment. For every manufacturing job 7 to 8 ancillary jobs are created or lost. You are generalizing!

My conclusion: We both agree on at least one point. The government creates problems for the working class. I believe that the government is obligated to do something about the problems that it helped to create, jbtg33 does not!

Peace & Grace
Rev. C. Solomon
http://www.sealofabraham.blogspot.com/

Addenda: I believe that we now have all of the above boiler plates in consecutive order, however, at times both of us created more than one boiler plate in chronological order! Some boiler plates are in groups, however, if you skip down, you should be able to readily pick out the corresponding response!

The Run for the Black House & The Reemergence of Black American Fascism!

I LOVE OBAMA? An interesting trend has reared its ugly head in parts of Black America.



I was in elementary school, in 1960, when Vice President Richard Nixon and Senator John F. Kennedy vied for the office of president of the United States of America. It was the first time I almost got punched as a result of a Presidential election.

I suppose that I was around 8 or 9 years old at the time when several of our students would run up to you and ask, who are you for in the election, the same individuals having forgotten that none of us, well a couple in the sixth grade, were of voting age yet? If you answered the question and gave the wrong name, you got punched.

The kids who were doing the punching were all black, and at times it would certainly appear that some of these kids did not get the, none of us are old enough to vote, or which candidate would really support black issues, memo. They weren't sure if it was Nixon or Kennedy that black Americans were supposed to vote for, and still they were going around the schoolyard interrogating their fellow students.

Depending upon which group happened to interrogate you, some students were punched more than once. This group of enforcers made it their job to see to it that at the healthy non-voting age of 8 and 9 years old, that you were supporting the right candidate, even though they would make a second trip and punch a student when they were told, you are on the wrong side and supporting the wrong candidate. Who knows? Perhaps they got punched already!.

Four decades later, black fascism has reared its ugly head in the black community all over again. Just over a year ago, it was okay to decide who you felt would be the best candidate to vote for during the current election cycle, even if that candidate happened to be white. Most black Americans a year ago, planned to vote for Senator Hillary Clinton, at least that is what we have been told. With the emergence of Senator Obama Hussein, who suddenly found viability, and was seriously being considered as a worthy voting choice, many blacks apparently switched sides. In States like S. Carolina, blacks voted overwhelmingly in the primaries, instead, for Senator Obama.

However, that is not the end of the story. All of the sudden, beyond supporting him, blacks began behaving in the manner that most white-eligible Americans voters have behaved in, during the past, voting exclusively for members of their race, regardless of their lack of qualifications.

Instead of blacks celebrating the fact that they have a viable candidate, and at the same respecting the right of their sisters and brothers to vote as they choose, some blacks have begun striking out at fellow blacks because they are not voting for the Right candidate, the black candidate, Senator Obama Hussein - at least not as their first choice.

It is as if Senator Obama Hussein was running for the Black House, and not the White House. So far, no one has been beaten in the manner that kids were punched at my elementary school were when it was determined that they were voting for the wrong candidate, the defacto candidate that has been selected by unknown voices in the black community, Senator Obama. And none of us have experienced tires being wrapped around our bodies and set afire. However, the virulent tone against blacks who are supporting Senator Obama Hussein as their Primary choice, is rising to a crescendo.

Tavis Smiley, a black man and Commentator who has served the black community well for a several decades now is under attack, given his support of Senator Hillary Clinton, and his failure to honor the coronated black candidate by some in the black community, who is seeking to occupy the Black House (to others it also known as the White House).

I stepped out of the Bay Area Rapid Transit System last week Pleasanton California, looking for my next public transportation connection. I boarded a bus that was being driven by a kind, exuberant, spiritual and affable driver who drove me the rest of the way to my destination. During the 15-minute trip, the subject of Senator Obama came up. Our one-sided discussion ended as quickly as it began, when bus driver Eddie informed me with all of the exuberance that he could muster the following: "I LOVE OBAMA"! My God I thought, love him?

During a fiery discussion on the Faith in Action blog last week, I expressed my feeling on the secondary topic of Senator Obama Hussein being a great role model for black Americans. Ironically, the original comment was made by a Caucasian woman. I explained that I believed that Senator Hussein would be an excellent role model, however, having said that, I also explained what my concerns were about him as a presidential candidate.

Suddenly, I found myself being lambasted, not by the Caucasian woman, but by a black American for supporting as one writer wrote, "Ms. Ann". For those of you who don't know, "Ms. Ann', is a pejorative that some blacks use when referring to white women. Following that insult I was castigated for preferring white people over black people. And the insults, and the hits continued until I was finally told to enjoy my life with friends like Ward Connerly, former Chancellor of the University of California at Berkeley and other [uncle toms].

Black fascism in America: These are only a few examples, Tavises' and mine, that point to what has begun taking shape in black America. Black America, with respect to its voting record has historically been a monolithic black-voting community. Blacks tend to vote in the general election at the rate of 80 to 90%, for the same candidate.

I have been told by some blacks that the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, who I affectionately refer to as 'the Wright Reverend' is responsible for the split in the black community, for attempting to derail the Obama campaign. Black Americans like Maxine Waters, Maya Angelou, Tavis Smiley, Sinbad and others who are supporting the Clinton Campaign, watch your backs - some of our people are already calling us Uncle Toms (another favorite pejorative in the black community for blacks who are perceived as having cross over).

Frankly, I'm flattered and amused as I am certain that the rest of you must be, for we've been called many things, liberal, hate-mongers, black-racists and other pejoratives, but never Uncle Toms!

Black people, the White House in Washington DC is not the Black House, and black Americans should be allowed to scrutinize their candidates and to decide who they believe would be the best person for the job. I believe that of the two candidates, Senator Clinton is infinitely more qualified, more prepared, and ready to step in and address the problems that have been left behind by just another failed Republican administration in Washington DC. give the Clintons credit, they have experience and a record for cleaning up Republican messes!

Why is that a preference for one candidate has to be a referendum on another candidate, at least from the perspective of some black Americans? Have we forgotten Hillary's service to the America and the black community? Should we simply cast aside, without shedding a tear, for those who have at risk, stood with us as long as she has?

I suspect that the learning curve for Senator Obama will be too long. We have issues that need to be addressed today. And of those serious issues that need to be addressed domestically and abroad, so far Senator Hussein has not demonstrated in any way, to my satisfaction anyway, that he has the mettle to stand up to the white opposition in his own party, so what will happen when he faces the Republicans, or possibly some day a manipulative minority in the Congress and Senate?.

So far, Senator Obama Hussein has either distanced himself, or retreated in the following areas that one would believe ought to offend blacks Americans. He has retreated on the issue of his wife's heartfelt comments with respect to being a proud American for once. He backed off of his own comments about the lives of American troops that one could consider to have been lost in Iraq. He backed away from his comments with respect to marginalized gun-toting believing Americans. And in the face of adversity, he distanced himself from his pastor, church and faith of twenty years, all of which have been responsible for both Senator Hussein and his family being where they are today.

What will Senator Obama do when he has to face tough issues and make hard decisions? What will Senator Obama do when the real calvary comes, if he cannot stand up to the footmen in his own favorite-son troop, the Democratic Party.

I have shared with some blacks already that if Senator Obama has not delivered, to the satisfaction of some members in the black community one month after inauguration (assuming that he were to be successful at becoming America's second black President), that some of the same black Americans who are ripping away at those of us who have stuck by our original choice Hillary Clinton, will be calling Senator Obama Hussein, as well, an Uncle Tom by February 1, 2009।

Some of America's fascist black Americans who are supporting Senator Obama Hussein, have, exclusively two issues in mind. The two issues can be encapsulated in one phrase, 'black Americans'. I suspect that they are going to be as disappointed as their brothers and sisters in South Africa have been, many of whom believed that it was axiomatic that once they had a black President, that there conditions and the plight of black South Africans would be immediately turned around.

President Nelson Mandela served two terms as President of South Africa, and along with South Africa's current black President Mbeki, who is currently serving, neither of them have been able to alter the structural barriers that have persisted in Africa, and to change, to the satisfaction of South Africans, the desultory conditions of the majority black nation in South Africa.

Blacks still live in shanty conditions, and they are still the dominant group which compromises South Africa's permanent underclass. Blacks have not had, in many instances, their ancestral properties returned to them. Their are still problems with utilities and irrigation for blacks in outlying areas. And the list goes on.

Can the problem be attributed to President Mandela and President Mbeki's ineffectiveness as leaders? Perhaps it can be in part? However, I suspect that there are other reasons for the slow rate of progress in South Africa. When I made reference to the conditions in South Africa, in spite of having black Presidents, to a black American on YouTube, he responded that, "the USA is not Soweto". And he is correct, blacks represent somewhere between 94 and 95% of the South African population. Depending on who you believe, blacks represent only 10% of America's population. Think about that folks!

Black fascism in black America needs to be put to bed. All of us should be seeking to vote for the most viable candidate regardless of color or gender, and to come together and support the best candidate, that will hopefully prevail. And if we cannot do that, if anything then, we should not be voting at all. There is so much at stake in the world that transcends simply having a candidate who happens to be black in the Black House, a person whom blacks are hoping will address the two dominant issues in the minds of some blacks, the issues of 'black American'.

As I close, Senator Obama Hussein is my default candidate post Senator Hillary Clinton's failure to secure the nomination, just as Senator John McCain is the Republican default candidate for the Republican Reich. If Senator Obama should prevail and become the Democratic nominee and subsequently the President of the United States, black America, more than anyone else, will have to give him a chance to get up to speed.

And if he happens to prevail, the first one of you that I hear in 2009, that refers to him as an Uncle Tom, I will remind you then that with respect to yourself, the Wright Reverend has been right all the time. Why? The Wright Reverend only preached at the Trinity United Church of Christ four years ago, what some of you have been saying in private, as well as in public about the United States of America.

And let me remind some of you today, what I have already shared with others of you in person recently. None of the comments that were made by Senator' Obama's wife, his Pastor or his own comments hurt his campaign; what temporarily impacted his campaign was the simple fact that some white Americans are still unwilling to accept a black person's justified expression of their undeserved pain.

The same white Americans have historically expressed their fear or pain by taking it out on black Americans, and today against nations like Iraq and Iran. White American swill simply threaten, kill, murder, invade, drop fission and hydrogen bombs on nations that they perceive or imagine, have or may cause them pain.

Some white Americans are still unwilling to accept the feelings that the Wright Reverend expressed, which many of our black fascists have expressed in public and in private themselves. The Wright Reverend is not the hypocrite, many of you are, if not Senator Obama Hussein himself. We will see what happens, and I will either see you after the 2nd Tuesday in November of this year, or in February 2008. Either way, Clinton, Hussein or McCain, I will be listening to hear what you have to say then in 2009! However, until then, don't punch me, taze me or call me an Uncle Tom!

Peace & Grace,
Rev. C. Solomon
http://www.sealofabraham.blogspot.com/

Addenda: Beware: all Americans, white, black or red, who invest their time and sacrifice their lives for black Americans, you should be made aware that at any time, there is a group of black Americans who will turn their backs on you at the drop of a hat or an Hussein!

Addenda: Beware: all Americans, white, black or red, who invest their time and sacrifice their lives for black Americans, you should be made aware that at any time, there is a group of black Americans who will turn their backs on you at the drop of a hat or an Hussein!

And for all Americans who have fallen in love with Senator Obama, just vote for him folks, don't fall in love with him. Have you noticed how high the divorce rate has been in America of late with people who were once in love? Those figures do not take into consideration the rate of separation among connubial couples, including individuals who fell in love at one time and thereafter separated when they failed, immediately, to get what they wanted!

Black Liberation Theology: The Rev Comments To Television Host Glenn Beck!

Re: Black Liberation Theology.



Glenn Beck, in your own inimical way and customary style, you have once again proved yourself to be a nitwit! It has not been lost on this viewer that you employed a black man to sponsor your dribble.

I would like to speak to your point about blacks who hate America. Let me answer you this way, there are a host of Americans who hate their jobs, however, they don't burn down their place of employment - they go to work everyday. Black Americans hate white hegemony, in both past its past and present forms. We would be very unhealthy people, if we did not (see my final comment)It would be pathological indeed for any individual or group of people who would not hate being mistreated, particularly, when the mistreatment that they refer to happens to be taking place in the present, and not a simple historical mistreatment from the past. Most white Americans would share a similar sentiment had, and if the shoe were on the other foot, particularly if their sons and daughters were the recipients of similar mistreatment, bigotry and disfavoritism! When will you folks stop living in 'Graceland', wake up and admit to where we are living in the present? The Constitution, the Amendments and the Bill of Rights did not promise that things would get better, instead a promise was made to all Americans of being endowed with certain inalienable rights. If our 1st President, George Washington had been a contemporary of President Abraham Lincoln, move over Jefferson Davis, President George Washington (in order to perpetuate his life as a slave pimp) would have been the president of the Confederacy, and perhaps the commander of confederate troops; move over Robert E. Lee. Had you been alive then, I wonder which side you would have fought on, it is obvious given the fight that you are putting up now?Stop playing the blame game yourself Beck, many of the structural imbalances remain in place today, that hurt black Americans over a 300 year stretch. Stop exploiting our pain in order to garner a paycheck. What was the aggregate worth of your tax breaks over the past 7 years? It is healthy for black Americans to hate evil and injustice. Don't forget, there were 6 things, according to the canon, that God hated, and the 7th was an abomination! You folks, the bad ones of you, are abominable!

These comments were sent to Glenn Beck, following his program that cynically attacked Black Liberation Theology.

Peace & Grace
Rev. C. Solomon
www.sealofabraham.blogspot.com

Addenda: If you take into consideration how white Americans have addressed their real or perceived oppressors by dropping fission and hydrogen bombs, invading and occupying their nations, deposing and murdering their leaders, the black American reaction to actual white hegemony, pales by comparison. We haven't dropped the bomb on them, we persist in seeking to working out our differences through peaceful negotation and dialogue - they've never done that, not even with their country of origin!

Transitioning: My Dialectical Materialism!

Transitioning:

I wish to say something, but I am not certain what it is. It has to do with life, who I am and how and why I have been living as I have been living so far.

I am so proud of my achievements and accomplishments in my life. I have reached the heigths in terms of my accomplishments, and I'm not finished soaring yet.

On the other hand, I recall some of the negative and toxic forces and people in my life, who seemed to be more interested in destroying my life and person, than they were in straightening out their own.

We are here, I am here. Do we know how we got here? Or do we simply believe that we know how we got here and what our purpose is for being here and for being? For some, they would declare that it is the former, as for me and with respect to my conclusion about the rest, I suspect that it is latter.

There have been those things that have been good for us, and at times there has been that has been good which has also been bad. I am in a transitional phase, having long become bored with old time religion. However, I give old time religion its respect in this sense, it was a catalyst, and apparently a first step to get me going. It helped me to reach up and out to something that transcends my understanding and my person. And for that reason I give old time religion its eternal respect.

However, and like everything else, it would appear, that all things lead to something else. What is next? I believe that humans must, or at least me, ought to put old time religion in its proper perspective and to see it within a proper context. Old time religion is not the answer for everything. Science has outstripped it and corrected many of its errors. Our indispensable educational institutions which at times run into conflict with the teachings of old religion have made a fundamental contribution to shaping each one of us.

Should we live our lives being overly influenced by myth, mysticism and unproven religious ideas, or is it better for an individual to seek after truth, while viewing religious dogma as being only one of life's possibilities, that represents truth. Truth is bigger than religion, and religion does not have all of the answers. Some individuals arrived at the place where I am now, long before I got here.

However, it is refreshing to have the weight of religion and the toxic humans that were once a part of my life and religion relegated to a place in obscurity, and to instead experience a place of refreshing and enlightenment, while I live, and continue to seek all that is true - let's call it perhaps a tree of life or actualization!

I am concerned about my sisters and brothers, particularly black Americans who have staked everything in their lives on religion, those who are guilty। Their religious forms have been reshaped, lost, reacquired, turned upside down, flipped over..., and many black Americans are simply still waiting for that day when they will be freed from lives of imposed, superimposed and self-imposed life degradation.

I suspect that many can be transformed and liberated in an instant, right here on planet Earth. However, it will require courage. Courage does not mean that you have to devolve into mendacity and mediocrity or licentiousness or to reject everything that you have been taught or shaped by, however, our present religious forms have devolved wherein despite the appearance of piousness, at most of our religious institutions, are like many other human institutions that have devolved into gainsaying, debauchery and clerical hegemony!

The latter represents more of institutional bondage as it were, as opposed to experiencing planes or spheres of reasonable freedom!

Peace & Grace
Rev. C. Solomon
www.sealofabraham.blogspot.com

My Solipsism? I Cannot See Consciousness!

I Cannot See Consciousness, Therefore does it exist or not? Or, am I simply a particle or thought in someone else's dream?

It was just over 2 decades ago when I debated with a Chinese Immigrant in the patio, outside of a restaurant in northern California. The subject? God, what else could it have been? He explained that God does not exist. He wasn't angry or being venal, he simply explained that whatever did not exist in his mind, or that he could not see simply did not exist. Well so much for Rene Descartes then!

I've told this story before, and that I explained to him that years prior, he did not know that I existed. I explained however, that I was living in another state and had been alive for 25 years, and whether he knew that I existed or not, it did not change the fact that I existed!

My Chinese opponent said, you don't get it - if something does not exist, in other words in his reality, it simply did not exist. Very limited world-view I thought, however, so be it, for if that is where you are, then that is where you are.

Does God exist? From his perspective and using his criterion to determine whether God exists or not, God does not exist. Is death of the body, the end of life?

Solipsism: the view confining reality to oneself and ones experiences.his reality.

Someone accused me of being a solipsist the other day, when I took on a secularist with regard to his conclusions about the existence of God. I countered that it was not me who was the solipsist, and that on the other hand it was he who had his own criterion that he was employing in order to conclude whether God existed or not.

For example, we cannot see consciousness, however, all of us believe that we are conscious, wherein lies our thoughts, memory, sensations and drives. On the other hand, we could all exist in a divine dream, or we could exist only within our own dream state. Who knows, perhaps our bodies, if we have one, are lying somewhere in a pod suspended somewhere in the cosmos, and we are simply dreaming our behaviors and actions. And if that is the case, everything that we believe that exists that is material, is a fabrication of our own minds. But even then the fabrication would exist!

I explained to the secularist, that I would not be able to convince him whether God existed or not. And he took umbrage at my lack of willingness, it appeared, to battle with him. I insulted him even more when I explained that his criterion was flawed and that his worldwide was too narrow.

In other words, his argument was against the God of religion. And, if God does or does not meet the religious test, then God does not exist. I asked, and what if religion is wrong, and God, the God Equivalent or Singularity exists beyond religious parameters, then where would that leave him? He was quiet, for I explained that there are many religions, and that I am not doing battle with religion, I am simply pursuing what is actual!

My Point: Too many non-believers waste too much of their energy fighting against faith. Everyone is at liberty, as far as I know, to seek what is actual for themselves. Should a person simply retire, given his lack of belief in religion or a religious test? I reminded the gentleman that he could not see consciousness, however, it apparently exists, and that there are many more things that exist, even though they do not fit into narrow parameters or limited human definitions.

He is thinking about what I said. Why don't you? Is death a final stage? Isn't there some unifying principle present or not present? Can you see the properties of some phenomenon that defies human explanations, that will likely turn out to be greater in scale and more profound than the God of religion?

Assume, as I believe we are, that we are living beings. Can we see our consciousness or our internal breath? Well, who is to say that the inner person is dead, just because his body no longer functions. And who is to say that something does not exist because we cannot see it in a body? Well, one might say, if someone were alive or conscious they would contact me. My answer would be, what if 'they' no longer have the means to contact you, no arms, legs, mouth...?

What is the source of all that we know and that which we do not know? We haven't seen IT, however, even if we are simply dreaming, something inspired the dream. I think and therefore I am! How about I cannot see, touch, define or taste it, however, it can still exist?

Peace & Grace
Rev. C. Solomon
http://www.sealofabraham.blogspot.com/

Addenda: I explained to the Atheist who started out debating with other Muslims, that all of us ought to simply be willing to sacrifice our traditions, and search for what is actual!

Senator Obama: The Dialogue Continues Vol. 6

Discussion from the Faith In Action Blog:
http;//faithinactionblog.com

# 31 Common Sense Says: May 9th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
@ Rev. Solomon,
Believe it or not Rev., i’m not angry at all. I’m just proud to be a black man in America. I’m proud of my father(who with my mother raised 5 kids and they have been together and married 48 years), proud of all of my grands who came from N. Carolina and Va., proud of various uncles, aunts, cousins who as positive black people helped mold me. Trust and believe, I have no esteem issues.
I respect Rev. Wright and admire him actually. I just don’t like his sabotage of Obama’s campaign, and that is what it was. Pride is a powerful thing and there are a lot of us who are incapable of seeing the big picture. If you live long enough, it is a natural order of nature that you will have more book and life knowledge than someone younger than you. But being an elder does not make you automatically correct in your views. Sometimes(as to use mother wit) you have to be able to see a long way. It was out of jealousy, envy and pride that allowed the Rev. Wright to allow himself to be used as a pitiful pawn in the attempt to undermine Obama’s campaign. If he had been able to, see a long way, then i’m sure he would have realized the error of his ways. His Bill Moyer interview showed his character and it should have ended right there, but no, he wanted to extend his 15 minutes of national fame so whoever offered him a chicken box and a microphone, he gladly would perform his minstrel show for. That’s what is was at the National Press Club, nothing but an ol’ fashioned minstrel show. Al Jolson would have been proud.
I also see you pick and choose what topics you choose to respond to. Still waiting,but not holding my breath on the “Never Forget” question I posed to you as well as why to African/Carribean switch tongue in front of you in a conversation, or why they attend mostly white churches. I know that you can’t or won’t answer that but you are quick to quote african/carribean issues or leaders. Simple questions Rev., enlighten me if you can or are some of your friends reading your posts? Say no to censorship! We are not being profane here and Mr. Brown III has let us express our opposing views. If he does not mind why should you unless you are writing for not only yourself, but also for the approval of others.
Also it was evident that you support Hillary. Why can’t you support her without bashing Barack? A measured analysis of both and then choose whoever you like. No problem with that. But all of the negativity, ugliness and pure bullcrap(Rev. Wright issue) have been facilitated by the media, the Clintons, or people who really are racist and cannot or will not accept that a BLACK man is on the verge of history.
Maybe if you use a different name on this post, you can really speak your mind and let the inner black that I know that is in you come out. Until then on this particular post we just don’t agree. You have made a few good points and I have conceded that, and also thank you for some points of references in some of your rants. It is not me Rev. that has a closed, one way view of things. After a certain age it is said that people get set in their ways, that it is hard to change. Wait..I take that bake. I did not mean to say change. Change is what the opponent of your choice for the presidency is offering. Sorry about that.
# 32 Common Sense Says: May 9th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Wait…I take that back.
# 33 Common Sense Says: May 9th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Wait…I take that back. Typo.
# 34 Rev. C. Solomon Says: May 9th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Common Sense,
You are supporting Barack Obama, my default candidate, however, afterward you go on a rampage against other eligible voters who have legitimate questions and concerns about their candidate and are free to vote for which ever candidate that they care to vote for in this election cycle.
I will remind you as I often have had to remind my housemate, on more than one occasion, that I am voting for Obama, however, he is not my first choice! And much like you, he is still not satisfied, and constantly launches into very nasty and disrespectful attacks on Senator Clinton, having forgotten all that both she and her husband have done for the cause of social justice in America and the world, for about 30 years now!
In the early 80’s there was a book circulating that was titled, White Racism. For the benefit of some of my people, someone is going to have to write a book called, Black Racism, if someone has not done so already!
Which black American was a college roommate, for a while, of Senator Clinton? How quickly do you two and many others like you forget and turn on people, including your own who have fought for you. And you pejoratively refer to her as Ms. Anne; and without knowing me you toss me into the former UC Berkely Chancellor’s camp - a nice man by the way, who is black and happens to share a difference of opinion. Why don’t you go and burn a black cross in his yard?
I used to date the sister of one of a most prominent civil rights’s attorney in the Midwest. At times he and I would talk. One day the subject of hatemongering came up. He said that the majority of hate mail and threats that he received came from black people, his own people. Who killed Shabazz? And what black church conference ordered Dr. MLK to shut up?I suspect that you may not recall what turned black business mogul JD Gadsen around, away and from criticizing Dr. King in Birmingham 4 decades ago?
No matter what my barrister friend did, particularly on occasions when he had to explain to his own people that the cases that they presented lacked sufficient evidence, not merit, and would not stand up in a court of law; much like you have shown a propensity for doing, they immediately turned against him! His family was subjected to persistent threatening phones calls from his own people!
When I consider all of your explanations with regard to the Wright Reverend’s motives for wanting to hurt Senator Obama, I say prove it, don’t slander a man! Many black Americans in the post and ante-bellum South turned in their sisters and brothers based on venal and unsubstantiated rumor and conjecture.
You are not silencing the Wright Reverend, even though you apparently want to quiet anyone else, apparently, who has the audacity to defend the Wright Reverend’s right to speak, or to question the mettle and toughness of Senator Obama.
When Minister Farrakhan returned from the Middle-East years ago, I attended his Press Conference at the National Press Club, on 14th Street I believe it was, in Washington DC. A lot of Americans did not want him to speak either, I ‘m pleased that he did. When Reverend Browning, from the AME Church there in MD, and other ministers returned from the Middle-East, they shared what most white Americans would not have wanted them to disclose. However, they told the other side of the story with regard to the mistreatment of the Palestinians, and the arrogance, selfishness and elitism of Sharon and company in Israel!
With regard to all of your other questions, we are going in circles. I’ve eaten in various ethnic restaurants, and the individuals in those restaurants that I have been in do not behave any differently than the staff in African American restaurants. Our people also greet you with restaurant appropriate patois, and when they return to the kitchen areas, they also revert to their first language, an American black dialect customarily punctuated with African American idioms. So what is your point?
Anthrophobia? Are you afraid of people? Do you have something bad to say about everyone? You need to refocus on your real enemy! I can only imagine what you will be saying when the conservatives take Obama a part!
Is it true that some individuals from the West Indies look down on American blacks? Answer: Do some African Americans look down on individuals from the West Indies, or black people in their own country who do not share their points of view?
# 35 Rev. C. Solomon Says: May 9th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
BTW common sense,
You should be proud of your parents, they are your best role models.
With respect to something else that you wrote, Freudian slip likely, I concur:
“Pride is a powerful thing and there are a lot of us who are incapable of seeing the big picture”, you were referring actually to yourself. Isn’t it pride that is eating at you on the inside? If a black man runs the next time, should everyone vote for him? Remember, not every black person voted for Sharpton, Jackson or Chisholm?
I am pleased to hear that you really understood what the Wright Reverend was saying, given that he expressed the sentiments of most black Americans that I know and have heard speak in that one sermon. You and I know that the majority of black Americans say the same things in private!
I explain to those who say that black people hate America as some have accused the Wright Reverend of doing, the following: many Americans hate their jobs, however, they still go to work everyday. Black Americans in other words have zero intentions of destroying America.
You may be shocked to know that I understand that whites have not experienced what blacks have experienced in this country, and based on their experiences, and the prism that they view America through, America is the greatest country in the world from their perspective! If the tables were turned, however, they would be the ones who would see America for what it is, a bifurcated class-structured society!
The white Americans who understand that blacks have had a completely difference experience in America, just as blacks hate the evil that America does and has done to black Americans, realize that so would a white American hate the evil had he experienced similar circumstances. There are 6 things that God even hates!
We would be liars, if we did not admit to hating the injustices that arise from American white supremacy and white supremacists! The Wright Reverend told the truth!
BTW many Africans and other nationals believed that HIV was created at the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta GA. Far fetched? It is certainly plausible!

Peace & Grace
Rev. C. Solomon
http://www.sealofabraham.blogspot.com/

Addenda: This is what often occurs when happens when humans attempt to engage in political discourse. Which one of us is right? It's all relative, and at times a necessary exercise!

Senator Obama and Black Role Models: The Dialog Continues Volume V!

See the Faith In Action Blog to read all of the comments: http://faithinactiononline.com/2008/04/30/jeremiah-has-a-rightobama-severs-whats-left/#comment-3739

# 29 Common Sense Says: May 9th, 2008 at 8:14 am
@Rev. Solomon,
I’ll concede that we as a people have a lot of internal problems and struggles that only we can solve, that only we can address. And the conditions that native Africans and people of the Carribean and other third world countries leave behind when they come here may be a catalyst in their successes in America. But I am watching said folks just as I keep my eye on whitey and here’s why.
How many times have you been in the presence of African or Carribean people and you were not placing an order at a restaurant that needed translation from the front desk back to the cook, but rather having a conversation and right in your face they swich from English to their native tongue when speaking to another person of their culture that is also conversating with you? Don’t get me wrong, it is quite the accomplishment to be able to speak many languages, but if you are having a open and honest dialog, why do that? That shows a lack of regard for the person you all are talking to or that you have something to hide. Also why do most people of African or Carribean desent attend mostly white churches? What I say is fact and as a Rev. you know this. I’m watching everybody who is not African-American and go by their deeds towards us.
It seems that you may have been traumatized by your blackness in some way, but you are not alone. I understand that their are other victims of thistrauma such as Clarence Thomas, Ward Connelly, Larry Elder and Armstrong Williams. Maybe a cure can be found.
Rev., we just don’t see eye to eye and that’s not a bad thing. In ending, i’ll make you happy by quoting a famous white man, William Shakespeare, to describe you. From Hamlet(and I made it gender correct)”The man doth protest too much, methinks.” Peace Rev.
# 30 Rev. C. Solomon Says: May 9th, 2008 at 10:48 am
Common sense,
You have simply taken a position, and you are stuck in your position; facts won’t matter to you apparently, at least not the ones that I have presented. You would accuse Toussaint ‘l Overture, Nat Turner and Frederick Douglas of being whitey lovers. The fact of the matter is that you wouldn’t know a black revolutionary if he stood right in front of you.
Remember that information is the basis for making decisions, you need to acquire a lot more information before drawing conclusions - your conclusions are skewed because they are based upon flawed assumptions.Its funny that you accuse me of loving whitey, when a white separtist group on the internet has targeted me for my comments white racism and the schizophrenia of whites who invoke the cross, Jewish Bible and Jesus Christ, and still they hate Jews, and blacks!
It is you that has the problem with blacks like the Wright Reverend, me and others who do not see eye to eye and fall all over the mixed candidate that you are so crazy about. Frankly, on a scale of 1 to 10, I would rate him as a 5 right now, Hillary a 7 and McCain a 2, however, I expect that Hillary and Obama will continue to grow, whether either becomes President or not. It is very apparent that when you draw, even an unsound conclusion, that your mind shuts down, and facts cannot seep into the bedrock of your hardened mind.
You are young and you clearly have a lot to learn. Go back and begin with the Harlem Renaissance, review the Abolitionist Movement in our nation, Consider the Civil Rights Movement, the March on Washington, Selma…, even the Proletariat Movement when Chairman Mao reached out to blacks in this nation…, and you will find that people of all races stood with us; more people in the world stood with us than the few in our nation who were against us. Ask why miscegenation laws and statutes were invented in our nation, it was because whites and blacks were getting together and a minority didn’t like it. You have your own set of miscegenation ideas in your head - you don’t want us to get together!
Read the works of Alexis de Tocqueville that Mumia referred to in his radio address, both volumes of Democracy in America should be helpful for you. In the 19th century de Tocqueville wrote about America, the good and the bad, including its mistreatment of black and native Americans. Should I hate him too, Jennifer Baker later found comfort in the hands of the French. Francois Mitterand, when he visited the USA about a decade or so ago, his first stop in America was to Dr. MLK’s gravesite, upon which he laid a reef.
To give people credit who have stood, fought and died for social justice is not to denigrate our own people, you have ignored my comments with regard to the blacks who have contributed positively to our nation and historical legacy. I do not criticize you for being black, I simply recognize that you have to grow through anger, and your apparent pathology at some point, that is if you intend to contribute anything positive to the cause of freedom and justice for ALL PEOPLE regardless of their skin color or ethnicity!
It will take consensus-building in order to destroy the vestiges of venal hatred that exists around the world and persists within white supremacist hegemonical Americans.
I would recommend that you find an Afro-American studies department in your area and enroll in it quickly, as well as an anger management class; the latter should be useful as well. Also, learn more about the disparate people in this world who have suffered just as we have, it should help you to get past your victim’s status, and give you a new perspective on what it will take to fight against all injustice. A good place to start?
The next time you’re in say American confiscated Hawaii, do as I did and stop in and visit their museums, talk to and observe the natives there and visit their ghettos, not just the beaches or tourist traps. That’s right, ghettos in Hawaii, many Hawiians live in squalid conditions. Why? The Hawaiians experienced both white and Japanese imperialism! The natives have been reduced to servitude within their own paradise, particularly after the Americans deposed their Queen and essentially took Hawaii, just as they took America, and now Iraq …! When I last visited Maui, all day long they played songs like, ‘Yawl Gone Make Me Loose My Mind Up in Here!
Many native Hawaiians work in the service industry, they are the busboys and maids and chauffeurs in their own land. They have grievances, however, there is something very unique about them and you could learn from - they don’t attack their own, they seek to build consensus. I still hear from some of them on a periodic basis, asking us to do what we can to help them.
Again I say unto you, evolve common sense, your worldview is to narrow. Get out of Harlem, and see the world. Ironically, a white man who grew up in Harlem, and I said that metaphorically to you, ended up with some of your apparent symptomology after growing up in Harlem. During his formative/prepubescent years, he thought that the white people were the minorities. He had tired of being victimized by blacks. It works both way Common Sense, we are not always just ourselves! Can you form your lips to say that, without following it up by your trenchant beliefs and comments that the Rev is simply a whitey lover. And I do love white people I spent Christmas this past Christmas day with white Americans who have spent their lives fighting for social justice.
And if that bugs you, I would say what Jesus said to his disciples in a very familiar story…, you did not offer to wash my feet! After you have developed a broader world-view and context beyond the limited one that you currently thrive in and rely upon, you will have a better sense of why we need to build consensus (out of common sense) with other people, and the importance of recognizing the imminent good or bad in all people, regardless of their color. If you are a believer, you will recall that Paul had to withstand the bigoted chief Apostle Peter to his face, just as I am having to do with you!
And when you are converted strengthen the brother, Peter evolved and was later known to send messages to believers like, ‘grow in grace’. El Hajj Malik El Shabazz grew in grace, he left his anger behind after he recognized that he had based his conclusions on a very narrowly focused perview of his narrowly focused world! There is nothing wrong with loving white, polynesians, latino, chicano, se asian, natives, teutons…, or YOURSELF (in a healthy manner)!
Be not like the Apostles that preferred to call fire down from Heaven (remind you of America’s UAVs…), and kill people who won’t receive you or the flawed parts of your assumptions!

Peace & Grace
Rev. C. Solomon

And instead of strengthening the brethren as Jesus told Peter to do once he was converted, consensus needs to 'strengthen the brothers'!

Senator Obama: The Rev & Common Sense Duking it Out

The Rev continues to duke it
out with Common Sense in
the Faith in Action Blog:
http://faithinactiononline.com/2008/04/30/jeremiah-has-a-rightobama-severs-whats-left/

26 Common Sense Says: May 8th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
@ Rev. Solomon,
Round and round you go. To not agree with some of your points or to take a pro-black stance translates to you as anti-white. And your constant praising of the goodness of whites translates to me as anti-black or shows a lack of self pride. You seem to be an elder of mine so I don’t discount your knowledge or wisdom but we just won’t agree on the semantics of our dialog on this post.
Are you sure you are reading my comments with a clear mind? I don’t think that you are because I never, never, never professed, intimated, hinted at, or never, never, ever aspired to, or proclaimed to be a minister. Maybe you just mis-thought like Miss Ann. When I said feel free to use me as a reference, I meant if she wanted to know who could be counted on to keep her informed of meetings or who was learning how to read, that you would be the best candidate that I presently know.
The main problem I have with your thought process is that to you(or so it seems) that if you love black people and do not close your eyes to the many injustices suffered by black people at the hands of whites, that you must have a limited thought process or be a raging racist. I’ll bet you have absolutely no problem with the Jewish people saying “Never Forget” because I know in your eyes the Holocaust was way, way worst than the enslavement of Africans in this country. I’m glad to live in a country or have the opportunity to express my views as well as listen to yours. It has been a pleasure to hear your views(albeit condescending) and look forward to the next post where we probably will disagree. Peace be unto you, The Honorary Right(and I do mean Right as in right-wing) Good Doctor, Rev. Solomon.
# 27 Rev. C. Solomon Says: May 9th, 2008 at 2:54 am
Common sense,A former colleague expressed similar sentiments to me several years ago, similar to what you have done. At the time, he went on and on about white people, and how they were giving away ‘our jobs’, to SE Asians…! Having tired of his rants I asked him point blank, you are afraid of white people aren’t you? And of course he was infuriated, because he thought of himself as soul brother number 2!
I reminded him of the story of David and Goliath in the canon. I pointed out that as a result of listening to him, it would appear that he saw himself as the little stripling version of David, and the white man as the giant. He augured then, they control everything, they have all of the power, money …! I reminded him that David, the stripling, conquered the giants in his life like Goliath. Now Bathseba, that’s another story!
He got angrier with me and said, you don’t know anything about black history do you! I explained that I knew more about black history than he did, and in that in spite of our captious and conjoined history, I was not living in the past. I explained that some whites had done a lot of bad things to us, however, that our destiny was in our hands, and that it was up to us to stand up and move on, in spite of the obstacles.
I also explained that if we were to continue making excuses while sitting, crying and waiting for all white people to change, that it would only hinder our progress and prevent our advancement!
He was so angry with me that he stopped speaking to me for approximately 5 months. One day I received a telephone call out of the blue. He said, I saw you driving down the street the other day while I was riding in a car with a new African female friend. He said, I told her that you were a former friend and proceeded to tell her about our prior conversation. He admitted that he expected her to see things his way, however, she did not!
She explained to him what I had tried to convey to him before, without even knowing me. She told him to listen to the Reverend, because his perspective was the correct one. I’ve had similar experiences when speaking with blacks from the Caribbean, et al.
Have you ever wondered why the brothas and sistahs from the Island nations where Shirley Chisholm’s relatives are from are so successful when either they or their descendants come to America? How about Minister Luis Farrakhan, the late El Hajj Malik El Shabazz, General Colin Powell, Roy Innis, Kwame Toure…, even their ‘mules’ and drug dealers? Most of these African descendants, have completely different perspectives than American blacks despite their hazardous past experiences with whites.
One West Indian told me, yes, poor or not, however, in our nations we were merchants, sheriffs…, racism was prevalent, however, we were still expected to take responsibility for our own lives. She added that she noticed a kind of dependency among blacks in America, when on the other hand all that her people detect is opportunity!
My friend phoned me and apologized. I will concede that I mis-remembered, and connected your title with someone else on the blog who identified himself as an Elder. Having said that, I have a perfect recollection of what you have written. Your threads are laced with vitriol and condescending comments towards whites. And for that matter, you haven’t been that kind to the Wright Reverend either! I simply tried to add some balance and to confront your categorical deterministic generalizations!I haven’t put black people down, no, not one time have I done that. You seem to be reading what you will into my comments, however. Having said that, your incessant use of pejoratives like ‘Ms. Ann’, belie your current reappropriations, and your rapprochement, with respect to what you have written.
You keep asking me to favor one race over the other, and it seems to frustrate you that I won’t choose one race over the other. Aren’t you really afraid of white people? Is there something in your own life that you are blaming whites for, that you haven’t been able to conquer yourself? Must you continue this incessant blame game, common sense? It is time for healing! How do you see men, as white trees walking over black men? We have exchanged theses, and anti-theses, and now it is time I believe for synthesis.I have said over and over again what Dr. MLK said on many occasions, I do not judge people by the color of their skin. And I have repeated over and over again that when it comes to blacks, not even blacks get an automatic pass, particularly when they are running for political office and they happen to be soliciting my vote! I am not finished - see next thread!
# 28 Rev. C. Solomon Says: May 9th, 2008 at 3:43 am
The Republic of the Congo, The Democratic Republic of the Congo, Zaire –
I attended a conference that was held in the auditorium of the San Francisco Public Library just about a decade ago. The speakers on the panel were nationals from the then, DRC. I felt embarrassed for them given their repartee, and when it was time for Q&A, I accepted the microphone in this rather large, even by library standards, auditorium.
I said, let me preface my comments by saying that I am proud to be a black person. However, I hear a repetitive theme in the repartee of each speaker on the stage. I said, you sound a lot like black people in America, the kind who criticize whites, while at the same time they rely on white American paternalism.
I used Rwanda as an example. The Rwandans, I said, like most African nations at the close of the African colonial period, insisted that the Belgians leave the natives to control their own destinies. However, and as soon as the E-bola virus broke out, the first emergency phone call was made to the Belgians requesting that they come back and ‘help us’! Remember Don Cheadle’s performance in Hotel Rwanda, it was the same thing during the slaughter of the Tutsi and moderate Hutu’s by the Hutus, in other words Belgians come and help us!
I asked the panelists, why is it that black people who have their own lands, resources… as they had, often behave in the same as American blacks? Oh you guessed it, they were yelling at me from the stage, and some of the Congolese in the audience where shouting or telling me to be quiet (as you intimated that the Wright Reverend should do). One of the panelists went to the microphone and said bro da’, you must not like yourself.
They ended the affair, not just to keep the Rev from catching a ‘beatdown’, but because their was a catered reception that was scheduled to take place across the street at the Ethiopian restaurant, Najir or something like that.
I decided to attend the affair. And guess what, you could tell by the looks on their faces that some of them were shocked that I had the nerve and the verve, to show my turncoat face in that chamber?
Many of the guests were even more surprised when the panelists walked up to me at my table, shook hands with me, and said, what you said across the street was right! One Congolese gentleman I will never forget, because his thumb was severed from his hand, which made the handshake seem somewhat peculiar.
Then we all dined and talked. He said, I know that what you said across the street was true, and that we should learn to stand on our own two feet. I added yes, it is amazing to me that you would come here and request assistance (aid, trade and credits) to the same United States of America that gave permission to former Congo President Joseph Kasavubu, to assassinate late Prime Minister Patrice Lamumba
You see Common Sense, we want to have it both ways, however, our message turns in on itself. Why? Because what too many blacks are saying while criticizing the white person is simply this, all I really want from you is your acceptance, and for you to validate me and to tell me that I am somebody. I am not that kind of black man Common Sense, however, it sounds to me as if you are! We are all growing, and I believe that there are some areas that Obama needs to grow in, not just to be President, but if he intends to heed the higher calling!
I will tell you why I explained to a Kenyan visitor in Washington DC, who along with other Kenyan delegates came to seek aid from the United States of America. I told her that I believed that it would be the greatest mistake that her delegation could ever make.
I fight daily against the spirit of white American global hegemony and political-categorical determinism, however, and having said that I learned long ago that not all whites are a part of that conspiracy, and that not all black people, well let’s just say, are risk aversive!
Remember Derrick Bell’s comment again Consensus: If we keep doing what we have been doing, we will keep getting what we have been getting. And let me add this as well, a voice woke me up one morning and it said:
Our theme, ought to be, to pursue different passions for different people

Peace & Grace
Reverend C. Solomon

Addenda: Senator Obama has stirred up a hornet's nest!